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I bought a pair from a TT.net member that were SUPPOSED to be new, but as soon as I opened the box I realized there were problems. There was a hole several mm across, as though a rat had gotten to it (see pic next to dime), and teats on the back of the passenger mat were crumbling off (pic). There was a stain on one of them and in general they did not look new. The seller said I was being too picky, but finally agreed to take them back after I filed a paypal dispute. While they may not have been used in a car, they certainly did not qualify as "new." The experience cost me 14 bucks for return shipping. I have not exposed seller, but he knows I'm watching if he tries to sell those mats to someone else as new.... 

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